Things are starting to get ugly. Worshipers of men. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? Contemplative Spirituality can be clearly defined this way: Contemplative Spirituality: A belief system that uses ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult but often wrapped in Christian terminology. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. Wild!!! It frustrates me that victims have to endure more pain when they come forward. I hope someone captured that document. Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. And many that I know and love have yet to escape. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? That is a typical church response. The video is on YouTube: . I do not believe Jesus would have ever behaved the way you and John are acting. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. I remember a similar excuse well stated by Flip Wilson The devil made me do it., No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ, I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ.*. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. Hybels was an early god of the mega how to manual. It was always funny to me (sad really) how when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days. But Moses said to the LORD, Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue. 11 Then the LORD said to him, Who has made mans mouth? We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. If it doesnt recur, people often try to dismiss it as an aberration. (1 Cor. Give, and it will be given to you. But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. Why is it people cannot just go to work,college, etc, without the social safety net of artificial group belonging? I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. The letter was ill received and insulting to victims. Invited women to their hotel rooms I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. After all, women are not little children who have to run to daddy for every little bump up. @ Davis and Natasha: Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. Or been involved with the thought reform in a social justice Warrior Church. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. All of the disciples failed Jesus. An accusation could hurt the church, the members and even Christianity. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? Are Lynn and Bill Hybels still married? These are the things that The Church has to wake up to. Edit Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Whether or not one can repent after death seems to be the question when it comes to Christian universalism. But it is the structure, really. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. too much bowing down to the leaders, too much caliber, too much influence, too much power. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . And influence a few. I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. These people are the living proof. I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. [1] WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. Will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing? Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands ? Isaiah 45:9. How can this stand unchallenged? Read Acts 2. But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. Like they say, to each his own. Oh dear. If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. Someday you may well find out what a fool you have been. Ive been a christian for many years so I take offense to your allegations. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. The problem is when the church becomes just like the world, when its a big organization with huge budgets and building programs and long-term goals and plans and a big stage with spotlights and a pastor whos a celebrity and whom very few people know, save for the 45 minute public show/motivational speech every week (or far less than every week, if youre Robert The Hairdoo Morris), people have an average drive of 30 miles to the sanctuary and what has been created is so artificial that the church leaders must create these artificial means to patch some fake community thing together so the whole works remains a going concern, what with the bills to pay and all those families dependent on those salaries. I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. He told me he had taken Ambien. etc. Jesus wins. Just wonderin. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. And the devil is not after your church, WC. Lets do church. If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? This sounds like the guys in the NHL who put black marks on their helmets when they get hit with puck. Difference. He missed an important element in his effort at damage control: Preach it straight from the beginning. Think about it. I get Im not welcome here. why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? I am NOT AMUSED! There just are. As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. Yep. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Which means nothing just happened, it was planned out and purposeful. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. I dont know what you have been told but, according to the Bible, Jesus is the one who brings people to Himself. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. That isnt good for anyone. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. They were taking Jesus away to be put in trial. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. My point is not so much whether this is right or wrong, but at the way this thing was done, yet is inaccurately perceived as a random event. Rats gnawing cables in two; That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. Not a word. Other women are coming forward. Bill Hybels confessed a few years ago that WC had made a mistake by not encouraging church members to read their Bibles and mature spiritually. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. It took celebrity to call out another celebrity because that is how that world works. If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. And ironically, asking that question is why. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. Character is revealed, not when things are going our way but when things are painful. That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. Is this a ruse to further that idea? You 2 probably believe Jesus was Jewish as well as all the disciples. So many Christians mix this whole thing up. No one. I too believed that what I experienced was an aberration and couldnt be attributed to a person of such spiritual stature. There is your real problem, right there. The question is why? It was part of his long time abuse of her. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. @WillowCreekCC. Ephesians 4:2. Willow wont even list Mars Hill on Steve Carters website bio. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. Is Bill Hybels still married? Trust me, Willow Creek has nothing to do with whether I follow Jesus or not. For the measure you use, it will be measured to you. No quid pro quo to substantiate. Thus, a comment with an accusatory flail that the bride of Christ is being slammed does much more to define you than your list of purported credentials than the site hosts and most of the responsible contributors in the comments section. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. STOP TAKING THE STUFF! And could it easily be construed as creating complicity by whoever carried out that demand? Hybels idea on how a church should function was to go out and ask non-believers what a church could do to get them to attend. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . Whatever the intention, both teach. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. This is going to get worse before it can get better. Thus, this person offering an opinion that things may have been taken wrong in Hybels case is one thing, but offering up details/takes on her say-so on action of J Ortberg putting him in less than a flattering light appears at first blush to potentially be from the wagon-circling camp which in and of itself is why many dont speak out instantly. I get Im not welcome here. I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. I will keep the website updated. He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. They are rarely anything alike. @ Barbara Roberts: . I am still looking for the benefit to Nancy or the others for speaking upat all. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. We only hear about the ones dumb enough to slip up and get caught! But your iniquities have built barriers between you and your God, and your sins have made Him hide His face from you so that He does not listen. (Isaiah 59:1-2). Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. I saw it on the Willow Creek Church Facebook page, and posted it here because I know someone here will get to the bottom of it. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. He told me he had taken Ambien. Ummm-not exactly. This is ridiculous! You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. In the 1980s, she was the executive assistant to Bill Hybels, the senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. Gossip! And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. Sometimes you have to look into the darkness in order to see that God is still present and at work. And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. Prestige of Willow Creek? Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) If at the end of this tragedy, Willow Creek gets that they will flow like a river rather than a creek. And it would appear that apparently absolutely no one found the need/necessity of bringing poor pastoral attitude, grave scriptural issues, his response, and certain questionable pastoral behavior before the church as directed by scripture. I get it bothers you. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. Amen! Yeah, right. There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. 1 comment about arms You are accountable). That is my point. Church people who want to do that with her at this point are way off base. My bad. I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. @ Dee Parsons: Dee, I was wondering how you got him to do that gig. One caught my eye: Courageous Leadership. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. There are no winners here. Hybels is a man and he serves at the pleasure of the real King. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. I will leave you to your study. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. I hope its okay to post. Creepy hug? You have been wanting to run the ad and move on. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Nigerian pop song about a con man. Assuming TWW readers have spent some time absorbing background and details about Bill Hybels and the evidence from the women who came forward with accusations, what do you see as possible points and patterns with that case study, compared with those of Joss Whedon and Lawrence Krauss? I know this because I have experienced it myself. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. But telling someone immediately might be crucial in the future. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. The gossip inspectors have arrived. Rudyard Kipling, The Picts Song (about guerilla warfare), Ok. Ok. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). _____________________________________. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. Most common reaction in the world. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Then they become red flags. That is more unusual these days. Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. Nothing is 100% safe but these wrk pretty well. And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. In Megas there are layers upon layers of protective bubble wrap for guys like Hybels. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. The one about J. Ortberg? Some will walk away all together from their faith journey.. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Status? On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Brought so many people to Christ. Who though renowned for his wisdom, had a strong of Rich Kid with Famous Father syndrome. Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. Bill Hy the Touchy Guy got himself into this and his elders proceeded to dig the hole deeper no devil required. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? I wonder when the above reproach inspectors will engage and be welcome with open arms; they may want to hurry, as its reached the secular media, and theyre not too focused on 1 Peter 4:8. @ jackie: I know. Just listening to Hybels extol the leadership virtues of Heather Lawson (another blonde) was enough to make me wonder, Is anyone else hearing and seeing this? His own wife (Lynne) is very different from the women Hybels mentored. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. No worries. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! Hybels fell for him when he was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church, in Grand Rapids. I asked my mom once why she endured physical abuse so long from my father, and she gave me similar answers. 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